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Post by trevortennant on Sept 24, 2007 20:01:11 GMT -5
At the 2007 worlds several cars raced would fail scrutiny if raced in the UK. I find the idea of one off specials with little or no regard to the appearance rules that the cars have to resemble a typical Formula 1 stock car regent. If you made a full scale replica of "THE Mans" car it would fold up soon as it hit anything. Rubber mounted bumpers Nerf rails bodged up with bits of plastic to meet the height rules etc and being so complicated that the chassis cost would be a least 3 times the allowable amount of the BRCA rules. Is this the way to go? We have to stamp out the rules bending, bring in a production only chassis rule to prevent one person trashing what is basically a excellent inexpensive class. All the British cars met the spirit of the rules as did most the Dutch entry. pity the win at all cost minority as usual have to resort to their childish manner.
The way they lobith mob are going they will loose all manner of credibility. Win with legal cars that attract no adverse comment and they will get respect from us all.
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Post by streetscreamer on Sept 25, 2007 14:08:13 GMT -5
Trevor, First: of all I strongly regret the fact you are so sportive and "we" are not........... Secondly: it feels a little bit as backstabbing to me to start crying here and not at the race. Even: the race took place in Holland and you put this topic in the USA section: your approach is less sportive then you pretend the British cars are built........ (the way of racing their cars and total behavior is something total different) Do you realize that scrutineers in Holland act the same like in UK and they have to follow the WEMSA rules? The way how the front and rear bumpers are connected to the tubes of the chassis can not be an issue: it is your own problem that you might get taken out of the races when something breaks off. So.. .. everybody knows there are fragile chassis and type Sherman tank. For myself I still need the bullitproof Sherman tank, but more skilled of course can try to refine their car. By the way: there is a rule about reproduction of chassis etc: I can confirm this also happened with these ~what you call~ "specials" By the way: did you even see the ingenious chassis of Rosmalens racer Kees Brock? It never saw any welding machine and is totally bolted........ for years!!!! That's why his car is called "Screwdriver" !!! By the way: in 1987 I was one of the first who raced a stockcar equipped with a roof spoiler...... it even was mentioned in a Modelbuilding magazine..... do you really think I was banned from any race?!? NO, they were not that conservative........ In another topic on this forum (UK part, topic engines) you write "I would soon suck cow crap than run SE OPS anymore Hell its 2007 not 1977"...... so you want to be progressive as well....... So please stop this childish jealous way of moaning and start thinking first. Do I have to pull your pants down further?  ? Or I have a good proposal: as things are really not making pleasure to you, please STOP with this hobby! Sure you will get respect for that........................ Bart ps: whats wrong to Marco's chassis?  this posting is copied and will be used in any way I want if necessary. |
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Post by grotty67 on Sept 25, 2007 15:50:54 GMT -5
To have a production chassis rule would not work, this would give the makers the power to charge over the odds, they would put the price at the top limit possible!, we are already held to ransom by track side sellers!. i personally think we should encourage people into the sport and if that means building your own car then this can only be good. Of course you have to build the car within the rules and the rules have to be governed by the club holding the meeting. I for one was very impressed with the Friesland club and the whole event, i feel a bit bemused to what Trev is on about. It can be very hard to implement rules when you are part of an amateur organisation, after all we are doing this for fun and most people are not in a position to obtain free racing, so they have to make things themselves.
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Post by Rocket R/C on Sept 25, 2007 15:53:27 GMT -5
Wow.... a proper bashing!
Seeing that we here in the USA follow WEMSA rules all the time, since it only makes sense to, plus myself a big fan of what the Dutch bring to the table.... what is the problem? I could make a duplicate of any chassis at the worlds for 25 pounds in materials.... on the high side! So what is the problem?? If you ban any chassis that actually fits in the rules it would be a bad thing for this sport. There is already enough division between the English and the Dutch.... why create more? There is no way to make the models exact representations of the full scale cars, actually if you ban one of them, you mind as well ban my car. My front end is nothing like on a full size car, but it is within the model rules. I have more time in building that front end than most people have in building their whole car.... 3 times over! I wouldn't duplicate it for 300 pounds never mind 75. If we see something that is fast.... build something like it.... and beat them with their own design.... or create something else.... whatever you want.... the bottom line is that at the end of it all there were 3 English drivers, and 3 Dutch drivers in the final.... how much more even do you want to make it?
If it fits in the box.... if the tyres are the correct width.... if the chassis is steel.... if it passes weight.... if it has everything in the right place........ JUST RUN IT!!!
Personally I think the crumple zone front end is a poor design.... I agree with it in the back of the car absorbing a hit to the rear.... but why would you want to absorb a hit you are giving to someone else?? That dosen't make sense to me. Yes it protects the chassis a little better, but it essentially makes the front bumper less effective.... why would you want to do that??
By the way how did this end up in the USA thread??? Not that I mind... its a good neutral place to hash things out.... I am just curious.
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Post by streetscreamer on Sept 26, 2007 2:36:27 GMT -5
Crisp & clear reaction Pete, thumbs up!
USA thread a neutral place for hashing... nah... in a certain way I would love to have different kind of discussions at the forum, which might attract more new racers.
It feels very unpleasant that a certain kind of camps are sensed. I truelly hope it is only a small amount of racers who commit to this way of doing.
Ow eh.... please do not forget our "Belgian"camp: anybody who saw the finals at EU Indoor Horst 2007 knows that it wasn't "just stockcar driving" what happened when Jean Pierre was bumped out in the last minute.......... team orders?? It almost looks like those racers completely forgot the feeling they had when they started with this hobby: have fun, not war
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Post by trevortennant on Oct 1, 2007 13:59:31 GMT -5
regarding excellent racer Jean Pierre I understand He was well pleased with his version of my chassis at the Dutch indoor champs. This is the first I have heard about any team driving.at that event.
I have no issues with the winning WK car at all.
I covered Kees car in a radio race car article many years ago when I first saw it. an interesting concept.
The simple reason the post appeared in this section was a mistake. It should have appeared in The UK section.
The cars we race are all available for sale at well below the BRCA chassis price limit.
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Post by Rocket R/C on Oct 2, 2007 11:16:27 GMT -5
In this sport we cannot equate time with money. When you make a bunch of chassis in an assembly line, and put them up for sale, there is a different mentality than when you are building your own car. There is not one racer out there that wouldn't take extra time to make sure his or her chassis is built right, and is the way they want it. Therefore time cannot be equated into it. To any racer it doesn't matter how much time you put into your car, its your time and you can do what you want with it. So when we calculate cost, the time it takes cant be applied to a home made chassis. Personally I think the integrity of the sport would not be compromised at all if the chassis price rule was lifted all together. I understand the reason for it, but you cant argue with anyone who builds their own chassis about it, because materials will always be under the price rule, and time is free!
Three cheers for free time!
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